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	<title>Comments on: Season Post-Mortem, Part 2: Who Really Lost</title>
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		<title>By: The Idol Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.theidolguy.com/season-eight/season-post-mortem-part-2-who-really-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>The Idol Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe: Yes, I know, I was damnably late. But, it&#039;s up now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe: Yes, I know, I was damnably late. But, it&#8217;s up now.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.theidolguy.com/season-eight/season-post-mortem-part-2-who-really-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey!

Don&#039;t forget to write the 3rd article.  You promised it for late during that week but it ain&#039;t there yet.

Oh and my two cents on this issue:

Why the producers were pushing for an Adam/Danny/Lil Finale, I will never get.  I understand why Adam, but for the other two, just no.  Danny was Lil&#039;s male version:  All he could ever do was great karaoke at best.  As for Lil, she just couldn&#039;t get it at all.

Also, I think while Adam started and went strong throughout the show&#039;s run, he went downhill during the Final 3 stage.  One bad song pick from Simon and the overpowering of the back up singer in &quot;Cryin&#039;&quot; made Kris manage to steal his thunder.  And when the Finale came, Adam couldn&#039;t quite capture the essence of his original &quot;Mad World,&quot; his &quot;A Change Is Gonna Come&quot; didn&#039;t do any wonders and the Coronation song just hit the nail to his head.

On the other hand, Kris was steadily gaining ground since the Final 13 and when the odds were stacked against him as the competition got tougher, he delivered!  And for the record, &quot;No Boundaries&quot; is a lot more radio-ready with Kris singing.  Add to that the fact that the judges were giving him dismissive congratulatory comments at the end just fueled the fire.

Note to the producers:

- Go back to the Top 24 format.  If this had been the format, we would&#039;ve gotten to know an Allison or a Kris better and eliminate a Jasmine or Michael earlier on.

- Limit the talking time of the judges.  The stint of bickering amongst the judges has just gone really stale, not to mention it is just downright rude to do that.  Oh, and when someone IS performing, they should give their FULL attention, which they didn&#039;t do during Alexis&#039; saving song, and Allison&#039;s great performance the week after that.  Point is:  Make the show about the contestants, not the judges.

- Restrain the judges&#039; from saying their predictions early on.  That&#039;s what influenced America to have people like Lil and Danny advance while underdelivering.

- In place of the judges&#039; save, let America choose the Bottom 3 and then have them perform for their lives.  After that, the live audience should vote in who deserves to stay and from there, eliminate a contestant.  This should go on up until the Top 5.

- Better yet, change the producers.  After all, they were the ones who tried to &quot;manufacture&quot; an Idol.  And boy, what an epic fail that was!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget to write the 3rd article.  You promised it for late during that week but it ain&#8217;t there yet.</p>
<p>Oh and my two cents on this issue:</p>
<p>Why the producers were pushing for an Adam/Danny/Lil Finale, I will never get.  I understand why Adam, but for the other two, just no.  Danny was Lil&#8217;s male version:  All he could ever do was great karaoke at best.  As for Lil, she just couldn&#8217;t get it at all.</p>
<p>Also, I think while Adam started and went strong throughout the show&#8217;s run, he went downhill during the Final 3 stage.  One bad song pick from Simon and the overpowering of the back up singer in &#8220;Cryin&#8217;&#8221; made Kris manage to steal his thunder.  And when the Finale came, Adam couldn&#8217;t quite capture the essence of his original &#8220;Mad World,&#8221; his &#8220;A Change Is Gonna Come&#8221; didn&#8217;t do any wonders and the Coronation song just hit the nail to his head.</p>
<p>On the other hand, Kris was steadily gaining ground since the Final 13 and when the odds were stacked against him as the competition got tougher, he delivered!  And for the record, &#8220;No Boundaries&#8221; is a lot more radio-ready with Kris singing.  Add to that the fact that the judges were giving him dismissive congratulatory comments at the end just fueled the fire.</p>
<p>Note to the producers:</p>
<p>- Go back to the Top 24 format.  If this had been the format, we would&#8217;ve gotten to know an Allison or a Kris better and eliminate a Jasmine or Michael earlier on.</p>
<p>- Limit the talking time of the judges.  The stint of bickering amongst the judges has just gone really stale, not to mention it is just downright rude to do that.  Oh, and when someone IS performing, they should give their FULL attention, which they didn&#8217;t do during Alexis&#8217; saving song, and Allison&#8217;s great performance the week after that.  Point is:  Make the show about the contestants, not the judges.</p>
<p>- Restrain the judges&#8217; from saying their predictions early on.  That&#8217;s what influenced America to have people like Lil and Danny advance while underdelivering.</p>
<p>- In place of the judges&#8217; save, let America choose the Bottom 3 and then have them perform for their lives.  After that, the live audience should vote in who deserves to stay and from there, eliminate a contestant.  This should go on up until the Top 5.</p>
<p>- Better yet, change the producers.  After all, they were the ones who tried to &#8220;manufacture&#8221; an Idol.  And boy, what an epic fail that was!</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://www.theidolguy.com/season-eight/season-post-mortem-part-2-who-really-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funniest thing of all is people taking AT&amp;T&#039;s &quot;word&quot; for it when they try to backtrack what one of their top level employees said about the votes in Arkansas. And, the only source for Kris winning in a landslide was Billy Bush! LOL! Dial Idol showed Adam and Kris neck to neck with Kris having a slight lead. I would believe Dial Idol over American Idol spokes people and AT&amp;T. The REAL LOSERS here are the gullible public, willing to spend so much money &amp; time devoted to their favourite Idol&#039;s not realizing what a scam it is with AT&amp;T. Oh, and Julie, MJ&#039;s is just a blogger with an opinion- doesn&#039;t make it fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funniest thing of all is people taking AT&amp;T&#8217;s &#8220;word&#8221; for it when they try to backtrack what one of their top level employees said about the votes in Arkansas. And, the only source for Kris winning in a landslide was Billy Bush! LOL! Dial Idol showed Adam and Kris neck to neck with Kris having a slight lead. I would believe Dial Idol over American Idol spokes people and AT&amp;T. The REAL LOSERS here are the gullible public, willing to spend so much money &amp; time devoted to their favourite Idol&#8217;s not realizing what a scam it is with AT&amp;T. Oh, and Julie, MJ&#8217;s is just a blogger with an opinion- doesn&#8217;t make it fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>False, Kelly. AT&amp;T doesn&#039;t care who wins, it&#039;s all about texts and phone sales for them. They&#039;ve been at voting parties for different contestants for several seasons now, this just happens to be the first time the mainstream media was dumb enough to pick up on it.

MJ explains why it&#039;s total BS here (Idol Guy already linked to it, but it bears repeating):
http://mjsbigblog.com/new-york-times-throws-fuel-on-the-fire-of-crazy-fan-conspiracy-theories.htm

And yeah, highly dubious that you could get 38 million votes from such a small population. Kris won fair and square, get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>False, Kelly. AT&amp;T doesn&#8217;t care who wins, it&#8217;s all about texts and phone sales for them. They&#8217;ve been at voting parties for different contestants for several seasons now, this just happens to be the first time the mainstream media was dumb enough to pick up on it.</p>
<p>MJ explains why it&#8217;s total BS here (Idol Guy already linked to it, but it bears repeating):<br />
<a href="http://mjsbigblog.com/new-york-times-throws-fuel-on-the-fire-of-crazy-fan-conspiracy-theories.htm" rel="nofollow">http://mjsbigblog.com/new-york-times-throws-fuel-on-the-fire-of-crazy-fan-conspiracy-theories.htm</a></p>
<p>And yeah, highly dubious that you could get 38 million votes from such a small population. Kris won fair and square, get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://www.theidolguy.com/season-eight/season-post-mortem-part-2-who-really-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 23:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are either very naive or ignorant if you think homophobia didn&#039;t cost Adam votes.  Did you know you can still be fired from your job just for being gay in 30 states??? Unfortunately there are still millions of Americans(especially in the AI southern voting block) that would not vote for Adam simply becuase he is gay. All the questions by the media about his sexuality in the last couple of weeks before the finale definitely hurt his chances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are either very naive or ignorant if you think homophobia didn&#8217;t cost Adam votes.  Did you know you can still be fired from your job just for being gay in 30 states??? Unfortunately there are still millions of Americans(especially in the AI southern voting block) that would not vote for Adam simply becuase he is gay. All the questions by the media about his sexuality in the last couple of weeks before the finale definitely hurt his chances.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.theidolguy.com/season-eight/season-post-mortem-part-2-who-really-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Idol Guy: this is the front page news on Yahoo. and it wasn&#039;t a small number. At&amp;T is trying to cover themselves. If it were a small amount of fans, then it wouldn&#039;t be such a big story today.Whatever. Adam has more talent in his eyeliner than Kris ever could. This voting controversy cleared up a lot of questions as to how Kris won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idol Guy: this is the front page news on Yahoo. and it wasn&#8217;t a small number. At&amp;T is trying to cover themselves. If it were a small amount of fans, then it wouldn&#8217;t be such a big story today.Whatever. Adam has more talent in his eyeliner than Kris ever could. This voting controversy cleared up a lot of questions as to how Kris won.</p>
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		<title>By: The Idol Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.theidolguy.com/season-eight/season-post-mortem-part-2-who-really-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>The Idol Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 11:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I highly doubt that the votes of a relatively small number of people (and they are relatively small, compared to the AI voting population) can change things. Not if by, as all indications are, the winning margin was pretty large. And MJ throws a little water on this as well.

http://mjsbigblog.com/new-york-times-throws-fuel-on-the-fire-of-crazy-fan-conspiracy-theories.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I highly doubt that the votes of a relatively small number of people (and they are relatively small, compared to the AI voting population) can change things. Not if by, as all indications are, the winning margin was pretty large. And MJ throws a little water on this as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://mjsbigblog.com/new-york-times-throws-fuel-on-the-fire-of-crazy-fan-conspiracy-theories.htm" rel="nofollow">http://mjsbigblog.com/new-york-times-throws-fuel-on-the-fire-of-crazy-fan-conspiracy-theories.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.theidolguy.com/season-eight/season-post-mortem-part-2-who-really-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 10:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie. you&#039;re wrong! At&amp;t unwittingly helped Kris win.Here&#039;s the link!

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/american-idol/american-idol-8-did-att-unwitt-28946.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie. you&#8217;re wrong! At&amp;t unwittingly helped Kris win.Here&#8217;s the link!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.buddytv.com/articles/american-idol/american-idol-8-did-att-unwitt-28946.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.buddytv.com/articles/american-idol/american-idol-8-did-att-unwitt-28946.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: kai</title>
		<link>http://www.theidolguy.com/season-eight/season-post-mortem-part-2-who-really-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>kai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 06:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Idol Guy: Very great article and spot on analysis of the situation by not sticking to any conspiracy theories.

It&#039;s very funny when people still believes the 38M Arkansan votes rumor that AT&amp;T had already debunked last weekend. What more when people try to overlook actual iTunes sales facts and  the real reason Adam leads the album sales is because of Kris&#039; iTunes pass sales. In terms of the single sales, Kris&#039; No Boundaries is at #2 for 4 days now. And just overnight Kris&#039; Heartless single went up from 10 to 9 after it went down to 10 just the other day. While Adam&#039;s Mad World single plummeted down from #14 to #20 in just a single day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idol Guy: Very great article and spot on analysis of the situation by not sticking to any conspiracy theories.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very funny when people still believes the 38M Arkansan votes rumor that AT&amp;T had already debunked last weekend. What more when people try to overlook actual iTunes sales facts and  the real reason Adam leads the album sales is because of Kris&#8217; iTunes pass sales. In terms of the single sales, Kris&#8217; No Boundaries is at #2 for 4 days now. And just overnight Kris&#8217; Heartless single went up from 10 to 9 after it went down to 10 just the other day. While Adam&#8217;s Mad World single plummeted down from #14 to #20 in just a single day.</p>
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		<title>By: Jablea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jablea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 01:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you go back and look at the message boards.  Pick those that only have one thread at a time.  You&#039;ll see the progression.  
Early season  Adam wow! Danny pimped. Kris Who?  Allison weird
Mid season  Adam wow!  Danny pimped. Kris with the sideways mouth, Allison interesting
Late season Adam no growth, Danny Scream on, Kris dang he&#039;s cute and good too, Allison we miss you
Last 2 - Adam we love but we get complacent because we voted for Kris too, Kris we love and man his fans are organized, Kradam we love and wednesday was both sucky and good and by thursday we knew they&#039;d both survive and bring Allison on with them.
Interesting isn&#039;t it that Adam, Kris and Allison not only were fan favorites but each other&#039;s favorites too?  Like seeking like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go back and look at the message boards.  Pick those that only have one thread at a time.  You&#8217;ll see the progression.<br />
Early season  Adam wow! Danny pimped. Kris Who?  Allison weird<br />
Mid season  Adam wow!  Danny pimped. Kris with the sideways mouth, Allison interesting<br />
Late season Adam no growth, Danny Scream on, Kris dang he&#8217;s cute and good too, Allison we miss you<br />
Last 2 &#8211; Adam we love but we get complacent because we voted for Kris too, Kris we love and man his fans are organized, Kradam we love and wednesday was both sucky and good and by thursday we knew they&#8217;d both survive and bring Allison on with them.<br />
Interesting isn&#8217;t it that Adam, Kris and Allison not only were fan favorites but each other&#8217;s favorites too?  Like seeking like.</p>
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